she's a law professor currently. >> thank you for being with us. you had a front-row seat to the pivotal time in the "90s, at the antiapartheid regime. when you look back. what are you most struck by? . that we won. apartheid was defeated. it was a towering figure of governmental, you know, and injustice. i think it is very important that we all, you know, sort of focus on the fact that injustice was defeated in that case. nelson mandela was in the front of, you know, the troops for justice. >> we are so far removed from it, a lot of people don't rmz how difficult it was when you say we won. it was a tough fight. at that time, correct. >> certainly. when the elections took place, the vast majority of people, black south africans had never voted before. while, you know, south africa is in some senses has a first world character, the vast majority of the developing country has people in villages. someone of the things that the electoral commission had to do was to teach everyone how to vote. that was teach everybody the meaning of participation in th